"Then we shall rightly use the word "necessary" of them?" "Rightly." "And what of the desires from which a man could free himself by discipline from youth up, and whose presence in the soul does no good and in some cases harm? Should we not fairly call all such unnecessary?" "Fairly indeed." "Let us select an example of either kind, so that we may apprehend the type.*Or "grasp them in outline."" "Let us do so." "Would not the desire of eating to keep in health and condition and the appetite for mere bread and relishes*For ὄψον cf. on 372 C, Vol. I. p. 158, note a. be necessary?" "I think so." "The appetite for bread is necessary in both respects, in that it is beneficial and in that if it fails we die." "Yes." "And the desire for relishes, so far as it conduces to fitness?" "By all means." "And should we not rightly pronounce unnecessary the appetite that exceeds these and seeks other varieties of food, and that by correction*For κολαζομένη cf. 571 B, Gorg. 505 B, 491 E, 507 D. For the thought cf. also 519 A-B. and training from youth up can be got rid of in most cases and is harmful to the body and a hindrance to the soul’s attainment of intelligence and sobriety?" "Nay, most rightly." "And may we not call the one group the spendthrift desires and the other the profitable,*Lit. "money-making." Cf. 558 D. because they help production?" "Surely." "And we shall say the same of sexual and other appetites?" "The same." "And were we not saying that the man whom we nicknamed the drone is the man who teems*For γέμοντα cf. 577 D, 578 A, 603 D, 611 B, Gorg. 525 A, 522 E, etc. with such pleasures and appetites, and who is governed by his unnecessary desires, while the one who is ruled by his necessary appetites is the thrifty oligarchical man?" "Why, surely."
"To return, then," said I, "we have to tell how the democratic man develops from the oligarchical type. I think it is usually in this way." "How?" "When a youth, bred in the illiberal and niggardly fashion that we were describing, gets a taste of the honey of the drones and associates with fierce* αἴθων occurs only here in Plato. It is common in Pindar and tragedy. Ernst Maass, "Die Ironie des Sokrates,"Sokrates, 11, p. 94 Platon hat an jener Stelle des Staats, von der wir ausgingen, die schlimmen Erzieher gefährliche Fuchsbestien genannt. (Cf. Pindar, Ol. xi. 20.) and cunning creatures who know how to purvey pleasures of every kind and variety*Cf. on 557 C, p. 286, note a. and condition, there you must doubtless conceive is the beginning of the transformation of the oligarchy in his soul into democracy." "Quite inevitably," he said. "May we not say that just as the revolution in the city was brought about by the aid of an alliance from outside, coming to the support of the similar and corresponding party in the state, so the youth is revolutionized when a like and kindred*Cf. 554 D. group of appetites from outside comes to the aid of one of the parties in his soul?" "By all means," he said.